tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post8588338607586187109..comments2023-07-11T07:15:18.714-04:00Comments on The Ultimate Adventure: Concerning LibertarianismSylviahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06221464682706193091noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-2395244892414787622007-06-30T01:20:00.000-04:002007-06-30T01:20:00.000-04:00For my argument, it does not matter whether the en...For my argument, it does not matter whether the enforcement of the law achieves anything. Once again I point this out merely to demonstrate that many of the laws that you have claimed were unenforceable "and therefore not laws" are enforceable.<BR/><BR/>However, the total prohibition of an act, even if it does not yield many prosecutions (i.e. it not readily enforced in the so-called "private Andy Bodohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025144744898580423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-28066157772293358292007-06-29T19:39:00.000-04:002007-06-29T19:39:00.000-04:00Andy says: "There seems to be no apparent link in ...Andy says: "There seems to be no apparent link in your argument between “knocking on bedroom doors” and “unenforceable”. Whether or not your premise is true (“unenforceable law is not a law at all”) it doesn’t make your conclusion (i.e. “you can’t have laws against homosexual behavior.”) true."<BR/><BR/>What is enforcement supposed to achieve, except a lessening of the proscribed behavior? If you.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01714070136249395568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-70701850870838992542007-06-29T14:46:00.000-04:002007-06-29T14:46:00.000-04:00I agree with you that people have a “right” to pri...I agree with you that people have a “right” to privacy, one that is supported by the Chruch, Catholic tradition, and right reason. The only reason I brought it up is because you said, “How can you have laws against homosexual behavior unless you are knocking on bedroom doors? An unenforceable law is not a law at all.” There seems to be no apparent link in your argument between “knocking on Andy Bodohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025144744898580423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-74246427273014345692007-06-27T18:43:00.000-04:002007-06-27T18:43:00.000-04:00Andy: "You have not demonstrated that such laws ar...Andy: "You have not demonstrated that such laws are unenforceable. Furthermore, your rejection of the laws because they “can’t be enforce without knock on bedroom doors” doesn’t make them unenforceable, it makes their enforcement unlikable (as in ‘not liked’)" <BR/><BR/>Insofar as no one, even the government, has a right to perform random checks of houses, a grievous breach of privacy, which the .https://www.blogger.com/profile/01714070136249395568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-29268589630667870822007-06-26T14:16:00.000-04:002007-06-26T14:16:00.000-04:00You have not demonstrated that such laws are unenf...You have not demonstrated that such laws are unenforceable. You argue that they are ineffectual to enforce (i.e. ‘they don’t achieve the effect desired by the one creating it’ verses ‘one cannot be punished for having broken them’). Furthermore, your rejection of the laws because they “can’t be enforce without knock on bedroom doors” doesn’t make them unenforceable, it makes their enforcement Andy Bodohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025144744898580423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-66480891520143471422007-06-25T23:27:00.000-04:002007-06-25T23:27:00.000-04:00Andy, it's Catholic teaching that an unenforceable...Andy, it's Catholic teaching that an unenforceable law is not, in fact, a law. <BR/><BR/>Some cops stumbling into such a situation, ala Mapp vs. Ohio, is hardly an effective enforcement. It's stumbling. <BR/><BR/>Laws have a cultural effect? You're mistaking the cause for the effect. The law exists because the culture was already at a point where it wanted to make the law. As soon as the culture .https://www.blogger.com/profile/01714070136249395568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-83599970194776037212007-06-25T23:18:00.000-04:002007-06-25T23:18:00.000-04:00My point in bring up prohibition is to demonstrate...My point in bring up prohibition is to demonstrate that those laws you call "completely unenforceable" and therefor "not really laws" do have a real effect--at least culturally. You seem to argue that if the law "is unenforceable" (or only enforceable "by knocking on bedroom doors") then it should not be there. Your point is not proved because you do not consider the cultural effect that these Andy Bodohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025144744898580423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-61256800194321962532007-06-25T22:06:00.000-04:002007-06-25T22:06:00.000-04:00Geoff said... As for the fact that these prohib...Geoff said...<BR/><BR/> As for the fact that these prohibitions are not ancient ones? It's true. There were few prohibitions against the pornography that was rampant in Ancient Rome and Greece. It does predate photography.<BR/><BR/> You're right about the drugs, though. It is mainly a late-1800's phenomenon.<BR/><BR/> But laws against alcohol actually caused alcoholism to increase during.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01714070136249395568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-62860126997301994802007-06-25T21:36:00.000-04:002007-06-25T21:36:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author..https://www.blogger.com/profile/01714070136249395568noreply@blogger.com