tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post6201790894572937418..comments2023-07-11T07:15:18.714-04:00Comments on The Ultimate Adventure: Priorities Askew?Sylviahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06221464682706193091noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-35927059034768719542009-03-05T11:14:00.000-05:002009-03-05T11:14:00.000-05:00If the Cardinal had made this statement privately,...If the Cardinal had made this statement privately, then I would be guilty of detraction.<BR/>However, since he made it in his nation-wide paper, I fail to see how bringing it up is anything of the sort. He chose to issue it, and I'm sure he said it for a reason. Perhaps though, you do not think we should take the public comments of our pastors seriously?<BR/><BR/>Calling Schoenborn a heretic, bakerstreetriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09167765710649552324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-22150509741809422992009-03-05T10:30:00.000-05:002009-03-05T10:30:00.000-05:00Just a consideration...There have been extremely s...Just a consideration...<BR/><BR/>There have been extremely strong attacks against the pope in recent weeks. These attacks--excluding the media attacks--seem to be centered in Germany and Austria. The German attacks are mostly verbal (examples are easily to be seen); the Austrian attacks are mostly in action (though, also in words: see the Episcopal conference's statement).<BR/><BR/>In Austria sparksj3https://www.blogger.com/profile/11565299554969111975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-52415846136655737342009-03-05T09:40:00.000-05:002009-03-05T09:40:00.000-05:00Very interesting. One of my first instincts is to...Very interesting. One of my first instincts is to go on Google and pull up more instances of Schoenborn's disobedience--but Andy really does have a point. What good comes in criticizing Schoenborn? What would Pope Benedict himself say? By painting him as a "liberal dissenter," what do we gain? Well, if it's true, then it's detraction. If it's false, it's slander. As I've blogged about Sylviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06221464682706193091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-32061408170968476612009-03-04T21:48:00.000-05:002009-03-04T21:48:00.000-05:00"I think your abortion/communion characterization ..."I think your abortion/communion characterization of situation is unfaithful to the original. In the abortion/communion argument, some faithful Catholics are arguing in favor of a strict application of the rule, while other faithful Catholics are arguing that such a strict application is imprudent."<BR/><BR/>Faithful Catholics arguing in favor of a strict application:<BR/>Pope Benedict, bakerstreetriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09167765710649552324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-29314234097717138922009-03-04T20:25:00.000-05:002009-03-04T20:25:00.000-05:00The Church should be dealing with contemporary glo...<I>The Church should be dealing with contemporary global concerns.</I><BR/><BR/>Correct me if I am wrong but I seem to remember Christ telling the Apostles something rather different.<BR/><BR/>Cardinal Schoenborn has only made this statement because he is afraid of what the proposed discussions with the SSPX will bring about. The Austrian church is perfectly happy with the status quo and does notAduliohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00534730218402742905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-64718480726970864452009-03-04T18:12:00.000-05:002009-03-04T18:12:00.000-05:00The only reason I argue the point is because I thi...The only reason I argue the point is because I think it important not to condemn a member of the hierarchy out of our love for the Pope as long as there is a more favorable interpretation of the situation available.<BR/><BR/>In this situation, there is no reason to suspect that the Cardinal opposes three of the four dispensations of excommunication. He seems to oppose the one on purdential Andy Bodohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025144744898580423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-75801721023068864482009-03-04T16:17:00.001-05:002009-03-04T16:17:00.001-05:00Perhaps by changing the context, the meaning will ...Perhaps by changing the context, the meaning will become more clear.<BR/><BR/>"At a time when the Church should really be dealing with the crucial worries that face people today such as the financial crisis and unemployment, it is confronted with debates from a small group of conservatives protesting pro-abortion Catholic politicians receiving Communion because they refuse to recognise Canon Law,bakerstreetriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09167765710649552324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-64466032712224460602009-03-04T16:17:00.000-05:002009-03-04T16:17:00.000-05:00If the Church "is confronted", as he said, why is ...If the Church "is confronted", as he said, why is it so confronted? The implication--very clear to those in Austria and who are familiar with the recent actions of the Cardinal (for these statements do not exist in a vacuum)--is that the pope brought about this confrontation by his actions. It was his bishop's conference that has held an emergency meeting due to the sudden crisis in the Church sparksj3https://www.blogger.com/profile/11565299554969111975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-34287291745951180792009-03-04T14:01:00.000-05:002009-03-04T14:01:00.000-05:00This excerpt, taken in itself, is not a criticism ...This excerpt, taken in itself, is not a criticism of the Pope. The key verb in this section is "is confronted". The Church "is confronted" with debates about dissentors. That is no more a critique of the Pope than to say "The Pope is hit by the bad man."<BR/><BR/>In the broader context of the statement, as provided in the other blog, it seems that this comment questioned the prudence of Andy Bodohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025144744898580423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-59520884772659503632009-03-04T11:52:00.000-05:002009-03-04T11:52:00.000-05:00The question is, is the Church's main mission comm...The question is, is the Church's main mission commentary on social events, or the salvation of souls through communion with her in the life of grace. <BR/><BR/>First of all, the pope is addressing economic problems in his forthcoming encyclical. Also, I think he has dealt with it in some of his audiences, though I would have to look that up. Criticizing him for not doing so is unfair, bakerstreetriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09167765710649552324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-50743428969586478742009-03-03T18:31:00.000-05:002009-03-03T18:31:00.000-05:00In this excerpt, the Cardinal neither encourages n...In this excerpt, the Cardinal neither encourages nor discourages dialogue with dissentors. It simply decribes the contemporary situation:<BR/><BR/>The Church should be dealing with contemporary global concerns.<BR/><BR/>The Church is confronted by debates about a (relatively) small group of dissentors.<BR/><BR/>There is no prioritizing in this statement. No "more important than" or "less Andy Bodohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025144744898580423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-19523430642274513942009-03-03T17:26:00.000-05:002009-03-03T17:26:00.000-05:00Saying that discussing the financial crisis is muc...Saying that discussing the financial crisis is much more important than reconciling hundreds of thousands--maybe a million--souls, is pretty scary.<BR/><BR/>No matter how small a group is, the Church should try to bring them into communion with her. <BR/><BR/>Greek Orthodox reject the teachings of certain coucils. Does this mean they are not worth the Church's time? Lutherans, Calvinists, bakerstreetriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09167765710649552324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-71681259129330790552009-03-03T17:15:00.000-05:002009-03-03T17:15:00.000-05:00We have to be careful, though, that we do not crit...We have to be careful, though, that we do not criticize unnecessarily. I am not totally familiar with the situation in Vienna, but I see nothing in this that cannot be taken well. The Church should be permitted to face the contemporary issues, like the financial crisis. It appears that Benedict will be addressing it in his forthcoming encyclical. As such, it is unfortunate that it is still Andy Bodohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025144744898580423noreply@blogger.com