tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post4428363823243547104..comments2023-07-11T07:15:18.714-04:00Comments on The Ultimate Adventure: The Purpose, End, and Means of SocietySylviahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06221464682706193091noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-51041177829262230592007-06-25T21:52:00.000-04:002007-06-25T21:52:00.000-04:00Geoff said... How are rich capitalists exploiti...Geoff said...<BR/><BR/> How are rich capitalists exploiting third-world workers? By not paying them wages the same as those that Americans would get if they worked the same job here? American wages (or near-American wages) would mean those jobs wouldn't be exported in the first place. That means third-world workers would not have jobs at all, but would be back to tilling the soil, making ten .https://www.blogger.com/profile/01714070136249395568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-25626137186130551612007-06-25T18:52:00.000-04:002007-06-25T18:52:00.000-04:00I think you are playing fast and loose with your a...I think you are playing fast and loose with your argument here, Geoff. You would strongly protest if I put forth the notion, with many poignant examples of rich capitalists exploiting poor laborers (which DOES HAPPEN every day, and continues to happen especially in third-world countries), that since these people have MISUSED their property it should be stripped from them and given to others. Sylviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06221464682706193091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-63928565078768501702007-06-25T16:30:00.000-04:002007-06-25T16:30:00.000-04:00The Church taught that it was morally obligatory f...The Church taught that it was morally obligatory for slaves to "seek in all things to please your masters." (St. Paul.) The Church never said slavery was not a horrible crime against human nature. <BR/><BR/>Likewise, it taught that usury was wrong. It still does. But in the Middle Ages, because the nature of money was not understood, usury was considered to be asking :any: interest on a loan. <BR.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01714070136249395568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-69255248432822127892007-06-25T13:40:00.000-04:002007-06-25T13:40:00.000-04:00Don't let the libertarian get away! I will try to...Don't let the libertarian get away! I will try to have a post after work tonight<BR/>-AndyAndy Bodohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07298516492433151902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-90635771159506006462007-06-25T13:39:00.000-04:002007-06-25T13:39:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Andy Bodohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07298516492433151902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-72376914997840373492007-06-25T13:22:00.000-04:002007-06-25T13:22:00.000-04:00A law is a law when it is in accord with right rea...A law is a law when it is in accord with right reason. Right now, you're forced to pay taxes for certain unjust things, 90% of which are not even in accord with the Constitution, which was generous with other people's money to begin with. You're paying to sustain military bases in two-thirds of the world's countries, and all the upkeep and weaponry of the troops overseas, pursuing policies that .https://www.blogger.com/profile/01714070136249395568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-2634896528357367892007-06-25T12:44:00.000-04:002007-06-25T12:44:00.000-04:00Sorry, a few more...2236 The exercise of authority...Sorry, a few more...<BR/><BR/><I>2236 The exercise of authority is meant to give outward expression to a just hierarchy of values in order to facilitate the exercise of freedom and responsibility by all. Those in authority should practice distributive justice wisely, taking account of the needs and contribution of each, with a view to harmony and peace. They should take care that the regulations Sylviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06221464682706193091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-21211666153402572252007-06-25T12:35:00.000-04:002007-06-25T12:35:00.000-04:00I would like to quote briefly from the Catechism o...I would like to quote briefly from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:<I><BR/><BR/>1879 The human person needs to live in society. Society is not for him an extraneous addition but a requirement of his nature. Through the exchange with others, mutual service and dialogue with his brethren, man develops his potential; he thus responds to his vocation.2<BR/><BR/>1884 God has not willed to reserveSylviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06221464682706193091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-34096144370931757912007-06-25T10:13:00.000-04:002007-06-25T10:13:00.000-04:00Regarding the authority of government in accordanc...Regarding the authority of government in accordance with the will of God: you and I have as much moral authority as any government, if we are in conformity with the truth and the will of God. And, like the government, we don't have any right to force other people to pay for services they could get from a different source.<BR/><BR/>It is not my intention to scandalize anyone. I hope I am not .https://www.blogger.com/profile/01714070136249395568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-63932757995723294502007-06-24T20:46:00.000-04:002007-06-24T20:46:00.000-04:00Geoff said... The Church is definitely unnatura...Geoff said...<BR/><BR/> The Church is definitely unnatural: it is supernatural. A directly-willed gift of God to restore men to their proper spiritual standing.<BR/><BR/> Civil government (which does not include the family) was not ordained by God. On the contrary: like a consumptive disease, it is merely allowed by God. Samuel told the Jews they were insane to want a king. He told them .https://www.blogger.com/profile/01714070136249395568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-4208343574496152182007-06-24T19:40:00.000-04:002007-06-24T19:40:00.000-04:00You hypothosize that without the Fall, government ...You hypothosize that without the Fall, government would have been unecessary; therefore it is unnatural. I don't think anyone can say for sure whether or not this is true. It might be. What I want to know is why you think something that is present only because we fell is unnatural. I think that is the connection you're making (if it isn't, please say so. I'm not exactly sure how your bakerstreetriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09167765710649552324noreply@blogger.com