tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post4045736976301262777..comments2023-07-11T07:15:18.714-04:00Comments on The Ultimate Adventure: For your considerationSylviahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06221464682706193091noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-14595496195924462732007-09-24T11:30:00.000-04:002007-09-24T11:30:00.000-04:00I think it would have made all the difference in t...I think it would have made all the difference in the world. I think the world's difficulty with Humanae Vitae arose not simply from the time period in which it was released (although that certainly played a role), but the way in which the pope sought to deliver the truth about sex and contraception. It is not unreasonable to posit that the world, going through the sexual revolution at the time,Colin Masonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17567949773680309910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-76370511625825304802007-09-23T15:12:00.000-04:002007-09-23T15:12:00.000-04:00I think we are essentially in agreement. The chie...I think we are essentially in agreement. The chief difficulty in modern philosophy is the body/soul dualism arising out of Descartes rejection of the senses. John Paul tries to correct the two by considering the merits of both empiricism and idealism without ascribing to either totally. Essentially, John Paul tried to point out an old truth in a new way: that a person was not body or a soul Andy Bodohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025144744898580423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-50717501440198510982007-09-23T14:44:00.000-04:002007-09-23T14:44:00.000-04:00You raise some very good points. I definitely agr...You raise some very good points. I definitely agree that the media, and certainly most Americans, do not "get" philosophy; it's rather a scary word, really, to many. And I do like John Paul II's approach to the search for truth, especially in its catholicity and openness to <I>persons</I>. You could never imagine him saying to another, "No, you have to look at things my way, you have to come Sylviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06221464682706193091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-67932265517715646462007-09-21T20:13:00.000-04:002007-09-21T20:13:00.000-04:00While I don't disagree with all that you say, I wo...While I don't disagree with all that you say, I would disagree with some of your objections. First of all, you don't take the "true elements" of an errant philosophy, you take the true elements of an errant philosophy. Then no twisting is necessary, what is true is true. You don't need to "take over" philosophies either. An errant philosophy is wrong is wrong is wrong. Nor do you need to Andy Bodohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025144744898580423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-74521780278503486922007-09-21T17:51:00.000-04:002007-09-21T17:51:00.000-04:00I suppose that is a controversial issue--whether y...I suppose that is a controversial issue--whether you can take "true elements" from essentially errant philosophies and twist them to actually promote the truth (basically to make it compatible with faith, which contains the most important truths for man). Some have labeled any efforts in this direction as modernism; I don't go that far. However, I would submit that any way you look at it, it's Sylviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06221464682706193091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-7714901239079859292007-09-19T18:47:00.000-04:002007-09-19T18:47:00.000-04:00This sounds essentially correct by my reading of t...This sounds essentially correct by my reading of the document, but there also seems to be an element in it that it would be wrong for the Church to involve itself in philosophy except where a philosophy would contradict revelation. JPII seems open to philosophies even when they seem wrong becuase they are essentially a human answer to human questions and as such generaly contain some truth even Andy Bodohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025144744898580423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-1894161401823696042007-09-19T17:56:00.000-04:002007-09-19T17:56:00.000-04:00I believe John Paul II is strictly differentiating...I believe John Paul II is strictly differentiating between philosophy and theology and taking the former "as its own thing," so to speak. This analogy will limp, but for the same reason the Church cannot adopt an official political party, she cannot adopt an official philosophy. It would not be in her nature as arbiter of the Faith to do so. This does not mean that the Church has nothing to Sylviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06221464682706193091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-20812797428544059762007-09-19T13:50:00.000-04:002007-09-19T13:50:00.000-04:00Does anyone see any difficulty in reconciling this...Does anyone see any difficulty in reconciling this possition with the following statement in <I>Fides et ratio</I> par. 49:<BR/><BR/>"The Church has no philosophy of her own nor does she canonize any one particular philosophy in preference to others."Andy Bodohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025144744898580423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-14839222502544150052007-09-19T13:12:00.000-04:002007-09-19T13:12:00.000-04:00I stand corrected. It strikes me as interesting t...I stand corrected. It strikes me as interesting that the Church would give a certain philosophy pride of place. I suppose we must, as Catholics, be cautious to avoid giving the impression that the Catholic Church gives the West pride of place, as a result. Just a thought.Colin Masonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17567949773680309910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-67630382713312181482007-09-19T09:42:00.000-04:002007-09-19T09:42:00.000-04:00Several encyclicals strongly recommend the teachin...Several encyclicals strongly recommend the teaching of St. Thomas Aquinas, including <A HREF="http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius11/P11STUDI.HTM" REL="nofollow"><I>Studiorum Ducem</I></A> by Pope Pius XI and <A HREF="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_04081879_aeterni-patris_en.html" REL="nofollow"><I>Aeterni Patris</I></A> by Leo XIII. Also see the Sylviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06221464682706193091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-52018635487095675812007-09-18T15:27:00.000-04:002007-09-18T15:27:00.000-04:00To the best of my knowledge, the Church has not of...To the best of my knowledge, the Church has not officialy put forward Thomisim as such. I think that Thomism is widely accepted by Catholic theologians and thinkers, but this marks the extent of its official recognition. I could be wrong, though.Colin Masonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17567949773680309910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-48660057988169709122007-09-18T14:43:00.000-04:002007-09-18T14:43:00.000-04:00The Church has put forward Thomistic philosophy as...The Church has put forward Thomistic philosophy as most beneficial for studying the truths of the Faith. She has also condemned certain philosophies as incompatible with faith. However, I don't believe she has ever officially aligned herself with any one philosophy, as Colin's example shows.Sylviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06221464682706193091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-52817629039640002882007-09-18T11:42:00.000-04:002007-09-18T11:42:00.000-04:00Ah. In that case, I believe that the Church does ...Ah. In that case, I believe that the Church does not neccesarily canonize one particular type of philosophy over another, as much as many of her members would like her to. <BR/><BR/>Case in point: Eastern vs. Western Catholicism.Colin Masonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17567949773680309910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-70157858285974046972007-09-18T10:59:00.000-04:002007-09-18T10:59:00.000-04:00Take it to mean your former definition...the Churc...Take it to mean your former definition...the Church as guidedby the Holy Spirit.Andy Bodohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025144744898580423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-69758678557280469752007-09-18T10:32:00.000-04:002007-09-18T10:32:00.000-04:00Define what you mean when you speak of "the Church...Define what you mean when you speak of "the Church." Do you mean the universal Catholic Church as guided by the Holy Spirit? Or the human Church made up of flawed human members? (I understand that they are inseperable, but I believe they are distinct and can be discussed as such.)Colin Masonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17567949773680309910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-34745743112461519762007-09-17T16:49:00.000-04:002007-09-17T16:49:00.000-04:00Can you elaborate?Can you elaborate?Andy Bodohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025144744898580423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-13123348281406506482007-09-17T16:46:00.000-04:002007-09-17T16:46:00.000-04:00If the last definition is taken in an analogous se...If the last definition is taken in an analogous sense, then yes, I believe so.bakerstreetriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09167765710649552324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-17963522656397335782007-09-17T16:45:00.000-04:002007-09-17T16:45:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.bakerstreetriderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09167765710649552324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-39803755887408740782007-09-17T11:01:00.000-04:002007-09-17T11:01:00.000-04:00Regardless of the language, does the Church have h...Regardless of the language, does the Church have her own philosophy?Andy Bodohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025144744898580423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-45590489133808181092007-09-17T10:35:00.000-04:002007-09-17T10:35:00.000-04:00"can·on·ize (kn-nz)tr.v. can·on·ized, can·on·iz·in..."can·on·ize (kn-nz)<BR/>tr.v. can·on·ized, can·on·iz·ing, can·on·iz·es <BR/>1. To declare (a deceased person) to be a saint and entitled to be fully honored as such.<BR/>2. To include in the biblical canon.<BR/>3. To include in a literary canon.<BR/>4. To approve as being within canon law.<BR/>5. To treat as sacred; glorify."<BR/><BR/>Take it as either of the last two definitions, or consider it Andy Bodohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025144744898580423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-56559952619710588042007-09-17T09:35:00.000-04:002007-09-17T09:35:00.000-04:00I disagree! The Church canonizes saints, not phil...I disagree! The Church canonizes saints, not philosophies. :)Sylviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06221464682706193091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-86322058547820479962007-09-15T23:42:00.000-04:002007-09-15T23:42:00.000-04:00Ah. It's as lighthearted as the way the question w...Ah. It's as lighthearted as the way the question was posed. :).https://www.blogger.com/profile/01714070136249395568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-87026913641007631082007-09-15T23:36:00.000-04:002007-09-15T23:36:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author..https://www.blogger.com/profile/01714070136249395568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-38580772311199268322007-09-15T23:17:00.000-04:002007-09-15T23:17:00.000-04:00Amusing answer.Amusing answer.Andy Bodohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025144744898580423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28749242.post-81426653944421190582007-09-15T23:01:00.000-04:002007-09-15T23:01:00.000-04:00I agree with John Paul II on this.I agree with John Paul II on this..https://www.blogger.com/profile/01714070136249395568noreply@blogger.com